Serious Vintage Podcast Episode 2: On Concession, Burning Wish Testing, Serious Eats, and Gin

Welcome to the second Serious Vintage Podcast! Episode 2 features #TEAMSERIOUS members Nat Moes (@GrandpaBelcher on Twitter), Geoff Moes (@ThallidTosser on Twitter), and Josh Chapple (@joshchapple on Twitter), discussing the politics of concession, a look at some of the lists developed in the wake of Burning Wish’s unrestriction in Vintage, and Serious food and drink talk. Check out all of those topics and more after the jump!

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Here’s the timestamped table of contents for your listening ease and enjoyment:
00:33 – Team Serious Open Recap
13:53 – The Politics of Concession
26:37 – The Many Faces of Burning Wish
39:58 – Serious Eating – Water Street Bar and Grille
44:00 – Serious Drinking- Let’s Talk Gin

You can find the lists we talk about in the podcast here.

Forgemaster Staves, by Nat Moes

[Business] (35)
Kuldotha Forgemaster
Staff of Domination
Metalworker
Lodestone Golem
Thorn of Amethyst
Chalice of the Void
Lightning Greaves
Phyrexian Revoker
Wurmcoil Engine
Phyrexian Metamorph
Ratchet Bomb
Trinisphere
Duplicant
Triskelion
Sundering Titan

[Mana Sources] (25)
Buried Ruin
Mishra’s Workshop
Tolarian Academy
Mox Pearl
Mox Sapphire
Mox Jet
Mox Emerald
Mox Ruby
Mana Vault
Mana Crypt
Sol Ring
Black Lotus
Ancient Tomb
City of Traitors
[Sideboard] (15)
Tormod’s Crypt
Jester’s Cap
Razormane Masticore
Nihil Spellbomb
Ratchet Bomb
Triskelion
Duplicant
Platinum Angel

This list split first at the Team Serious Open on September 22 at the Hero Zone in Sandusky, Ohio, and was first at a 17-person Monday evening tournament at Fog of Dusk in Columbus. It plays aggressively for a first or second turn Metalworker, Forgemaster, Staff combination, and plays lock pieces only to slow the opponent down.

The only change I would make to this deck is to test Cavern of Souls in place of Buried Ruin. Naming “Construct” makes Metalworkers, Forgemasters, and some other things like Triskelion uncounterable. I’ve enjoyed Buried Ruins and have used it to good effect, but Caverns might be outright better.

One correction, though: I went 3-1-0 in the swiss in Sandusky. In the podcast I said I had gone 3-0-1. Duane Haddix got me with a less combo-centric Forgemaster list.

RUG Delver, by Sam Krohlow

[Business] (41)
Delver of Secrets
Force of Will
Lightning Bolt
Gush
Preordain
Tarmogoyf
Snapcaster Mage
Vendillion Clique
Flusterstorm
Spell Snare
Mental Misstep
Annul
Ancestral Recall
Mystical Tutor
Brainstorm
Ponder
Ancient Grudge
Time Walk
Steel Sabotage

[Mana Sources] (19)
Scalding Tarn
Misty Rainforest
Tropical Island
Volcanic Island
Island
Forest
Black Lotus
Mox Sapphire
Mox Emerald
Mox Ruby
[Sideboard] (14)
Grafdigger’s Cage
Nature’s Claim
Tormod’s Crypt
Red Elemental Blast
Ancient Grudge
Mountain
Ingot Chewer

Sam’s list, which also split first in Sandusky, was properly metagamed for the expected turnout in Sandusky as he had plenty of hate for Workshops, including two maindeck Annul. Other than that it’s a fairly standard Vintage RUG Delver list and would play similarly to RUG Delver lists you might find in other formats: play a dude and attack for several turns with counter backup, rinse, repeat. Sam wrote a report detailing this process here.

This is the Confidant-based Burning Wish list I’m currently working with:

Burning Bob Tendrils, by Nat Moes

[Business] (32)
Burning Wish
Dark Confidant
Cabal Therapy
Gitaxian Probe
Hurkyl’s Recall
Cabal Ritual
Demonic Consultation
Tendrils of Agony
Time Walk
Necropotence
Wheel of Fortune
Thoughtseize
Empty the Warrens
Demonic Tutor
Vampiric Tutor
Ancestral Recall
Timetwister
Tinker
Memory Jar

[Mana Sources] (28)
Bloodstained Mire
Dark Ritual
Badlands
Swamp
Underground Sea
Mox Opal
Lion’s Eye Diamond
Lotus Petal
Black Lotus
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Sapphire
Mox Ruby
Mana Vault
Mana Crypt
Sol Ring
Verdant Catacombs
[Sideboard] (15)
Yixlid Jailer
Hurkyl’s Recall
Pithing Needle
Tendrils of Agony
Empty the Warrens
Yawgmoth’s Will
Thoughtseize
Surgical Extraction
Blightsteel Colossus
Pyroclasm
Island

The last changes I made to this list (after testing against Blue and MUD) was to simplify the manabase and add more Hurkyl’s Recalls against Workshops. The Blue matchup already seemed solid, thanks to the Confidants and discard spells. Cabal Therapy was ridiculously good at stripping both counters and threats from my opponent’s hand.

Others, who shall remain nameless to avoid unnecessary ego inflation, have suggested playing Ad Nauseam in place of the Confidants. This would certainly be a way to go. That card is a bomb, and you keep your expensive spells, like Tendrils, in your sideboard.

That said, Stephen Menendian’s list is undeniably more powerful from a card-by-card comparison. The Griselbrand Oath component is no longer a secret, but that was a huge step forward in the Dark Ritual, Burning Wish combo construction. I wish I’d thought of it. We can’t share Menendian’s full list with you in this article (nice try), but you can purchase it and its brand new addenda right here on Eternal Central. It’s worth the read if you’re interested in the development of combo decks and learning more.

Serious Eating and Drinking
Finally, here are the food and drink recommendations from the podcast:
Water Street Bar and Grille
Watershed Distillery
Leopold Bros.
Hendrick’s Gin

We’ll be back in a couple of weeks with more Serious Vintage. In the meantime, you can follow us Twitter at the links above! Thanks again for listening and reading. We’ll look forward to your comments telling us all the obvious things we missed!

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